[18:16:47] Axloth Okiah > those 10 extra kilometers make it no more dangerous but much more annoying and time consuming

The difference now is that fights will end before you normally saw the caps at all.

Triage archons let our smaller fleets engage your larger ones. I've been in a fair few scraps where there's been 70-100 nullsec people lying around trying to get at things, and we simply can't fight you without bringing the triage archon with us. We now can't bring that triage archon.

This might differ for groups that can field 40-50 pilots (like Hard Knocks), but certainly you'll see less engagements from the smaller groups.

Then stront check their towers. Shoot their POCO's. If they're not fighting with you, why aren't you taking things that they care about? Why aren't you forcing fights? Are you capable of generating content yourself, or do you imagine that rolling into a new hole is just like queuing into an arena in another nameless fantasy MMO, and that you should be automatically served good fights? Go earn your good fights with some hard work.

All in all, the changes will reduce the need to rage roll anyway... So the peeps against this change are mostlikely carebears anyways...

Setup a tac 150 km off both sides of the WHs, have Rapiers either side and all 3 points are made mute as it will add about 20 (maybe a touch more) seconds to the time it takes for you to make each pass.

3. "This change is intended to ensure that all attempts to control the local wormhole environment are open to risk of player disruption."

Ok so you have made holes more risky to close for farmers. If people play the way they do now and ignore this change then yes lots of caps will die. If you think they will not adapt to this then you are being really naive.

What will happen is people will just scout out the chain for a few jumps and make sure there are no pvp entities around then crit it and be pretty safe for the most part. If they see anyone even remotely threatening they will just log off and do nothing. People doing nothing is really bad for wh space. This is a shift from the way it is now in that you can actually kill people rolling holes, we have our ways ;) . People think they are safer than they are and this leads to mistakes and carelessness.

TL;DR

1. This will stop us from rolling

2. This will stop us from taking fights

3. This will stop us from killing rolling caps

4. This will stop people from doing stuff in general and this will make wh space a dark empty sad place :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snfi2AsJu_c

Source: https://soundcloud.com/atomycx/wormhole-townhall-with-ccp-fozzie @ 23:23

*This is NOT a rumor, speculation, or a slight to a CCP Employee, but a direct quote, with source for proof.


So basically, our feedback doesn't matter to Fozzie or CCP.

/done

stuff

60 pages of carebear whining.

WH space should be dark and unforgiving - you made WH space an ISK farm.

Best would be to remove POSs form WH space.

CCP wants to change WH space form an ISK farm to that space is was planned - a dangerous, chaotic and hellish space.

It is not "word". It is utterly ridiculous reasoning. Limiting feedback to people who think the current model is worth investing in limits you to the status quo. You should all be ashamed for falling for it.

Have you considered that one of the goals of change could be to get people who *don't* buy into the current model interested in the space?

sta-+tus quo

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noun

noun: status quo; noun: statusquo

the existing state of affairs, especially regarding social or political issues.

86 pages and still no serious counterproposal to stop the massive mudflation caused by safe W-Space farming.

...The whole point of the mass change is to make collapsing more dangerous, and it only does so when the ships with higher mass don't get to jump back immediately.

nope not always true. many of my NPC alts live at my POS with me to do PI in the WH.